[[
wikihub
]]
Search
⌘K
Explore
People
For Agents
Sign in
Explore
People
For Agents
Sign in
@jacobcole / Systematic Awesome / climatechange.md
Suggest edit
Cancel
Submit suggestion
Title
Name
Note
--- imported_by: wikihub-q7gz scraped_at: 2026-01-30 source_gdoc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ULNUP9HaHxe6DABI0AcfM_sVcqWh93gbfKno9_cGKCQ source_url: http://climatechange.jacobcole.net/ title: Climate Change visibility: public --- [[systematicawesome]] \> [[climatechange]] contact: [systematicAwesome@gmail.com](mailto:systematicawesome@gmail.com), <jacob@ideaflow.io>, <maxsong123@gmail.com> Contribute new items at the tops of lists! Climate Change Ideas and Salon Notes Doc Gathering resources and people in responding to climate change\ [Direct Link](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ULNUP9HaHxe6DABI0AcfM_sVcqWh93gbfKno9_cGKCQ/edit) [Climate Change People Spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xuuaqgg_lBYieFLfkfnGZzcKtofBxO8kre3RrxX0pKE/edit#gid=0) – Add yourself! (Past) Intellectual Salon [FB Event](https://www.facebook.com/events/802994003541221/805596873280934/?notif_t=admin_plan_mall_activity¬if_id=1583526054929443) ------------------------------ Table of Contents: [Alarming Climate Change Facts](#h.5aioitbl8p11) [1](#h.5aioitbl8p11) [Ideas / High Leverage Points to Make a Difference](#h.t4eou4h4htwr) [1](#h.t4eou4h4htwr) [Starred](#h.qwh273ehwtoi) [1](#h.qwh273ehwtoi) [Other](#h.2rcliy2qbiqd) [2](#h.2rcliy2qbiqd) [Parameters of Climate Change / Mitigation](#h.y4nrav3o7pig) [4](#h.y4nrav3o7pig) [Existing Projects that Sound Good but Aren’t Effective](#h.7bdoabffmb9v) [4](#h.7bdoabffmb9v) [Notes](#h.2s96upsvwfq2) [5](#h.2s96upsvwfq2) [Scratch Notes From Salon 2020-03-06](#h.jvk1i21ir6z2) [5](#h.jvk1i21ir6z2) [April 17 Zoom (Dump notes here):](#h.1t82akzhp7dt) [8](#h.1t82akzhp7dt) Inbox (to sort) # Alarming Climate Change Facts Add more Alarming to General Public [Major new paleoclimatology study shows global warming has upended 6,500 years of cooling](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200630072044.htm) Coral reefs are dying at an [alarming rate](http://www.secore.org/site/corals/detail/coral-reefs-are-dying.23.html). "Over the next 20 years, scientists estimate about 70 to 90% of all coral reefs will disappear primarily as a result of warming ocean waters, ocean acidity, and pollution.” ~[Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2020/02/24/70-90-percent-of-coral-reefs-will-disappear-over-the-next-20-years-scientists-say/#52c094977d87) Mildly Alarming to General Public [Extreme warming of the South Pole](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200630111324.htm) – is this \#actuallyReallyBad? \#todo if this is actually outsizedly alarming to experts, write why this is Climate Change Effects that Don’t Sound Bad to General Public But are Actually Really Bad \#actuallyReallyBad \#todo # Ideas / High Leverage Points to Make a Difference ## Starred - \#potentialSolution low-head hydropower <!-- --> - Kendrick - <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_head_hydro_power> - <https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/energy-sources-distribution/renewables/small-hydropower/low-head-and-very-low-head-hydro-power-generation/7365> - Notable countries: Brazil, US, Paraguay, Canada, China - Greatly expands the capacity for hydropower <!-- --> - Base line power; smoothing renewables <!-- --> - <!-- --> - \#highLeverage Refrigeration and AC, according to Drawdown.org \<\> Bob Horn \<\> North American Refrig Counsel working on 38k grocery stores in US to transition bad equipment to good equipment; coolant is 1000x worse for emissions than CO2 ~CrowdDoing.world 2020-07-03 Bobby Fishkin event <!-- --> - \<\> Ritesh <!-- --> - ## Other - \#idea \#secondOrder notetaker as a service on demand – could scale effectiveness of salons like this <!-- --> - Does anyone know any really great notetakers who want to get hired on demand? \#lookingFor <!-- --> - \#idea Way to see how much various actions help climate change, times the number of people that will likely do them given how hard they are <!-- --> - Carbon neutral coin, “local currency” for carbon neutral businesses? <!-- --> - \#ideaSeed Look at places that have attained sustainability\ Brazil, US, Paraguay, Canada\ - \#potentialSolution low-head hydropower <!-- --> - Kendrick - <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_head_hydro_power> - <https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/energy-sources-distribution/renewables/small-hydropower/low-head-and-very-low-head-hydro-power-generation/7365> - Notable countries: Brazil, US, Paraguay, Canada, China - Greatly expands the capacity for hydropower <!-- --> - Base line power; smoothing renewables <!-- --> - \#potentialSolution Incinerating/processing of waste for energy / recycling <!-- --> - Two distinct tracks there <!-- --> - <https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/sweden-s-recycling-is-so-revolutionary-the-country-has-run-out-of-rubbish-a7462976.html> - <https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/climate/sweden-garbage-used-for-fuel.html> <!-- --> - Burn vs. refine <!-- --> - \#potentialSolution convert plastics back into petrol. TODO(riteshr) add resources <!-- --> - \#potentialSolution Roadmaps for 100% renewables coverage <!-- --> - <https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/CountriesWWS.pdf> <!-- --> - Modeling solar better - How to deploy it <!-- --> - Utilities getting in the way, not wanting to buy solar in bad times, net zero grid <!-- --> - Aligning incentives <!-- --> - ISOs regulating it <!-- --> - Distributed aggregation for PPA: rooftop solar <!-- --> - E.g. reinsurance and bundling into policies <!-- --> - Many people have attacked these ideas; they have their fair share of assumptions that are a bit tenuous, but still promising roadmap - <https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/08/new-jacobson-study-draws-road-map-100-renewable-energy/> <!-- --> - Again, a distribution and financing problem <!-- --> - \#potentialSolution Turning carbon into useful materials <!-- --> - Potential of bioreactors? - <https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191011112231.htm> - A la [Lygos](https://lygos.com/) / creation of what would otherwise be petrochemicals / their derivatives (also high value) <!-- --> - <https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1003995310601910> <!-- --> - Carbon nanotubes are fairly promising given that they’re higher value. - <https://cen.acs.org/articles/93/web/2015/12/Better-Carbon-Capture-Through-Chemistry.html> <!-- --> - \#potentialSolution Carbon taxes (<https://www.carbontax.org>) as a major market mechanism <!-- --> - \#potentialSolution For reducing emissions from concrete [https://www.facebook.com/ritesh.ragavender/posts/2411566095611581](https://www.facebook.com/ritesh.ragavender/posts/2411566095611581?notif_id=1583536930909555¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif) <!-- --> - \#landscape <https://www.b-t.energy/landscape/> <!-- --> - <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5382570/> - Olivine\* @ritesh = carbon capture through beachside weathering \#potentialSolution Common type of rock that in the presence of water sucks carbon out of atmosphere [Cement](https://www.facebook.com/ritesh.ragavender/posts/2411566095611581) absorbs carbon but not at relevant scales - \#idea \#potentialSolution I think projects like Thunderpledge (kickstarter for pledges, like to become a vegetarian — you don’t have to become a vegetarian unless 1 million other people do, for instance -- connected to [http://radicalengineers.com/](https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fradicalengineers.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1P96_AKpOJy1D8wq613mkmK-k7EvzO3aHPdylvhXDEY2kTNVTcoclBjTo&h=AT3Zt3oIr4imcgyxbJ1An7M0hN9UuWqkz27WrvOKGkttwWF2uRNH4X3OoaKdutWSlX5cr_cHhYEagLcpAHhmxB8yX4bHbnFJywq8cjjOP1Hy59j14Fc_FJRs62xyyOPavMvcRmg)) could be a great start to this. <!-- --> - \#potential [If America ate beans instead of beef](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/08/if-everyone-ate-beans-instead-of-beef/535536/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=5bcdadb93ed3f00001fc432e_ta&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0k3nQnItidSvACwzO2d6uklKMU1YbeqadoiB3bCtgFmXscOvF4i3YKyHc) [https://www.facebook.com/49004340/posts/10102017934799771/](https://www.facebook.com/valerie.beltran.98/posts/10102017934799771?hc_location=ufi) <!-- --> - “Scientists... [calculated](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10584-017-1969-1) just what would happen if every American made one dietary change: substituting beans for beef. They found that if everyone were willing and able to do that—hypothetically—the U.S. could still come close to meeting its 2020 greenhouse-gas emission [goals](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/us-may-come-close-to-2020-greenhouse-gas-emission-target/), pledged by President Barack Obama in 2009.” - “That is, even if nothing about our energy infrastructure or transportation system changed—and even if people kept eating chicken and pork and eggs and cheese—this one dietary change could achieve somewhere between 46 and 74 percent of the reductions needed to meet the target.” - From @Ritesh - is this really true? I think emissions from the entire agricultural sector is ~20% (cattle + deforestation). You’re ignoring deforestation in this estimate, and also, just substituting beef wouldn’t eliminate the agribusiness industry (due to dairy). <!-- --> - \#potential [Just 100 gigafactories needed to move the world to sustainable energy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgpHPS7661M&feature=youtu.be&t=1m35s&fbclid=IwAR1Nw2er3EFNUtP9pGhvxn-mtzvHs1MwW_HNcr3BharAkWLnOUeMKUAA5sY) Leonardo DiCaprio and Elon Musk in Gigafactory 2016-10-27 <!-- --> - “We actually did the calculations to figure out what it would take to transition the whole world to sustainable energy... you’d need 100 gigafactories” ~Elon Musk [https://youtu.be/RgpHPS7661M?t=1m35s](https://youtu.be/RgpHPS7661M?t=1m35s&fbclid=IwAR1XcOSQ9719dtip8HklejNGX2fjDO7tB54V-oucDsOKI9BI6WwiLI_R5LU) (via solar + local batteries) - Where can I find more amazing calculations like this that reveal the potential of humanity? I feel learned helplessness about lot of the time about major world issues, but maybe I'm often wrong! The world is more abundant than I think. <!-- --> - \#potentialSolution stopping deforestation in Amazon (releasing legacy stores of carbon) <!-- --> - Lots to unpack here, since it delves into education etc - Not actually a solution, but a component of staving off the problem - Also, a lot of this is due to palm oil, which is why C16 biosciences is great [](https://www.facebook.com/tcurrier?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARARKeC6XgsWO5Ez8AaVkQXPy9KqkN5vXroTOd8QJuRunxZBl1Smf6tDPqG_DXnNYlB_4QBQTRRQUfns&hc_ref=ARSakf2XSZ9EpVZWtv4RucyZ_pOn-0HfPplpLc__UJfFuEe0lxi7ZhlKaEii9mP3tpA&fref=nf) - \#potentialSolution [Tom Currier](https://www.facebook.com/tcurrier?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARARKeC6XgsWO5Ez8AaVkQXPy9KqkN5vXroTOd8QJuRunxZBl1Smf6tDPqG_DXnNYlB_4QBQTRRQUfns&hc_ref=ARSakf2XSZ9EpVZWtv4RucyZ_pOn-0HfPplpLc__UJfFuEe0lxi7ZhlKaEii9mP3tpA&fref=nf) - [FB Post](https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10220879257832598&set=a.10200558440024853&type=3&theater) Yesterday at 12:26 PM · If the US placed an order for 1.8b tons of wood pellets per year and stored these pellets in long term grain storage containers, we would permanently sequester 5 gigatons of CO2 per year (all US emissions) It doesn’t really matter what these wood pellets are made from, but if they did this, industries would develop to drive down the cost per ton of wood pellets. At current grain storage prices of \$18/ton (\$90k for 5,000t grain bin) and wood pellet prices of \$35/ton, this would cost us \$95b/year or \$19/ton of CO2. We could raise the money to do this with a \$25-35/ton carbon tax. A \$35/ton carbon tax would increase the price of steel from \$570/ton to \$635/ton, the fuel only price of natural gas from 1.4c/kWh to 3c/kWh, and the price of gasoline by 30-35c/gallon. - [Tom Currier](https://www.facebook.com/tcurrier?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARBLCtyDVxyBKlUtxsdU17V3UrxQq8Q7RixvI7EDE0SpcdH1GDpDEsYma9fNAjMqYHkY_1-INdOTTbSi&hc_ref=ARRJZx3T2Xh0sz1ifl_xtZeB9N7-27OYMOPys-PPfq1xEKmpJ22aopWN-GmjH8ddR30&fref=nf) [FB Post](https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10220777527569405&set=a.10200558440024853&type=3) [February 23 at 10:17 AM](https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10220777527569405&set=a.10200558440024853&type=3) ·\ The world’s largest oil & gas companies only spend \$201m/year on climate lobbying. We need to put an equal or greater amount of cash on the other side of the equation. Jeff Bezos \$10b fund could 1-1 match this spend for 49.7 years, and if oil/gas companies increase spend by 5x (in an arms race) to \$1b/yr, it would still match 1-1 for 10 years. <span style="overflow: hidden; display: inline-block; margin: 0.00px 0.00px; border: 0.00px solid #000000; transform: rotate(0.00rad) translateZ(0px); -webkit-transform: rotate(0.00rad) translateZ(0px); width: 624.00px; height: 444.00px;"></span> \[Inline image omitted — original Google Doc has embedded image; see source for original.\] - [Tom Currier FB Post](https://www.facebook.com/tcurrier/posts/10220766476053124) People don't use oil because they love oil, they use it because it is cheap. It is cheap because the externality of producing carbon is not correctly priced into the commodity. In this sense, not having a price on carbon is a market failure. jeffbezos just publicly committed \$10B to stopping climate change and I think one of the highest leverage things he can do with a portion of this cash (10%) is to donate to key republican/democratic campaigns in the house/senate with the goal of passing a simple carbon tax in the next 6-10 years. The average winning senator raises \$10.4m and the average winning house member raises \$1.7m. If they gave key republican or democratic campaigns a significant level of financing if they support this piece of legislation, I think the Bezos Earth Fund could use less than 10% of their funding (\$1b) to make the other 90% of the \$10b portfolio more valuable by correctly pricing the externality of emitting carbon. Burning 1 gallon of gasoline emits 20 pounds of CO2 (0.01 tons). A simple \$35/ton carbon tax would put a \$0.35/gallon carbon tax on gasoline and these funds would be apportioned to projects that can remove that carbon from the air for less than \$35/ton (e.g. bamboo/barnacle farming). <https://www.facebook.com/tcurrier/posts/10220643990711067> - hydropower from coal mines, or just dig dig dig! <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectricity> - Norway is 96% hydroelectric - \#globalWarmingStat [Tom Currier FB Post](https://www.facebook.com/tcurrier/posts/10220740238477201) \ Producing a 100kWh battery for a EV emits 4.55 tons of Carbon (17.5 tons CO2) Given that barnacles are 46% carbon by weight, you would need to grow 9,891 kg of barnacles to offset the emissions from the EV battery pack. At 600g/barnacle = 16,485 barnacles. You can grow about 465 barnacles per square foot of ocean using a buoy and a rope that goes down 90m (they are filter feeders) = 35 square feet of ocean per 100kWh pack ---- # Parameters of Climate Change / Mitigation [7 years to mitigate 1.5C warming](https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/union-squares-giant-clock-now-climate-crisis-countdown-timer) [Web Countdown Clock](https://www.mcc-berlin.net/en/research/co2-budget.html) High leverage points <https://drawdown.org/solutions> \| <http://easilysolvableworldproblems.jacobcole.net/> ### Existing Projects that Sound Good but Aren’t Effective - API to reduce your emissions from AWS - Some individual behavior change projects: e.g. just not impactful, though there are admittedly 2nd / 3rd order effects <!-- --> - <https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2019/09/26/vegetarian-vegan-diets-climate-change/> - <https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2019/04/24/carbon-footprints-different-foods/> - That being said, loads of people feel powerless about climate change against the big oil companies, and giving them something like this to do could actually be a positive thing, even if it doesn’t move the needle <!-- --> - App in beta that raised pre-seed round, team based out of East Bay: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanchalipal/> At Joro, we mobilize people to take collective climate action. We make it possible for anyone to discover and stick with low-carbon habits and see their small steps add up to big impact. We started testing our beta in April 2019. – Ted Breyer <!-- --> - Electric planes; really anything that isn’t either removing CO2 effectively from the atmosphere, or anything on BEV’s top problems list in their landscape ---- Climate Change Effects we Don’t Know How to Mitigate \#todo Climate Change Effects we Don’t Think It’s Possible to Mitigate \#todo Climate Change Effects we Do Think It’s Possible to Mitigate Fully Partially [Scientists are trying to save coral reefs. Here's what's working. Without these interventions, scientists say the Earth’s coral reefs as we know them could disappear before the next century.](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/06/scientists-work-to-save-coral-reefs-climate-change-marine-parks/) Still, coral reefs are Places that Will and Won’t be Affected by Climate Change Along Certain Dimensions Apparently China's agriculture or water will be affected dramatically by climate change, whereas the US will be benefited, according to some USDA report? # Notes Add key notes here all, newer ones at the top! ## Scratch Notes From Salon 2020-03-06 <https://drawdown.org/solutions> https://dusdoughs.com/ Eli: https://www.myclimatejourney.co/ ------------------------- <https://discordapp.com/channels/689228724213907486/689228742056476706> ------------------------ Key Additional People to Involve Participants: [Salon Climate Change Connect](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xuuaqgg_lBYieFLfkfnGZzcKtofBxO8kre3RrxX0pKE/edit#gid=0) Spreadsheet – People Christopher Riederer – senior data scientist at square (cc Ritesh) From Jacob: Ted Breyer Tom Currier Rafael Cosman Danny An Jolene Elizabeth Matt Bell Daniel Breyer Samvit Ramadurgam Peter Relan Ryan Orbuch (climate at Stripe) [see here](https://www.orbuch.com/carbon-removal/) for an interesting synopsis of carbon sequestration --------- \#countriesThatHaveAttainedSustainability \#hydropowered Norway Brazil Paraguay <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5382570/> https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2019/02/SR15_Chapter2_Low_Res.pdf <http://easilysolvableworldproblems.jacobcole.net/> \#potentialSolution Common type of rock that in the presence of water sucks carbon out of atmosphere [Cement](https://www.facebook.com/ritesh.ragavender/posts/2411566095611581) absorbs carbon but not at relevant scales Global financial crisis reduced emissions by 10% Ideas to get carbon out of the sky for \$100/ton Plant \$1T trees? Good or bad? YC startup bioengineering better trees \#concept “Yield Co” Ways to get distributed investment and distributed dividends in climate change like massive solar panels Samvit’s project \<\> ETFs/access to private equity Overall, incentivization structures High belief in market-driven behavior change here is a good overview of getting carbon out of the sky from Adam From Ritesh Ragavender to Everyone: (08:52 PM) <https://longitudinal.blog/co2-series-part-1-review-of-basics/> \<\> \#idea \#todo Repository so you can know the numbers on these things We have 8 yrs, here are the trend lines etc \#project to get solar more distributed ~Ritesh Figuring out what angles to tilt panels etc is 25% of the cost Distribution of solar panels – unsexy \#lowHangingFruit problem Climate change good for russia, bad for china (loss of himalaya drinking water), USA in middle ground (USA may become exporter of oil in future) National policy influence -\> economics “Sustainability as a service” – google. \<\> unilever \<\> google person max met at davos Oil companies funding carbon capture systems Young 29 y/o lithuanian is environ minister of EU -- young generation 550 gigatons carbon left in budget <https://www.drawdown.org/> - Project Drawdown - the most comprehensive itemization of ways to reduce carbon in the atmosphere. Ritesh’s post on concrete / cement <https://www.facebook.com/ritesh.ragavender/posts/2411566095611581> Ritesh - 25% of cost of solar - using AI models to calculate distributed solar panel orientation HVAC - physics says that you can do 5x better YieldCo - maybe a good structure for investment Create a repository - 1T trees Albedo effect Creating financial models \#book [https://www.amazon.com/This-Changes-Everything-Capitalism-Climate/dp/1451697392 https://thischangeseverything.org/the-documentary/ can](https://www.amazon.com/This-Changes-Everything-Capitalism-Climate/dp/1451697392) \#hackathon <https://www.eventbrite.com/e/climate-hack-2020-tickets-90407103079> Bat Kaya's equation (the most fundamental environmental equation): <span style="overflow: hidden; display: inline-block; margin: 0.00px 0.00px; border: 0.00px solid #000000; transform: rotate(0.00rad) translateZ(0px); -webkit-transform: rotate(0.00rad) translateZ(0px); width: 787.50px; height: 146.74px;"></span> \[Inline image omitted — original Google Doc has embedded image; see source for original.\] This tautology says:: our total co2 emission is the product of: 1) - co2 cost of energy (how clean the energy is) 2) - energy per GDP (how energy efficient the economy is) 3) - GDP per population (how rich we are) 4) - Population It needs to be divided by 3 in 2050. Right now, most of the suggested solutions are reducing 1 and 2. - 1) was 265 grams co2/kWh in 1965 and is 248 grams co2 / kWh. It will go up, as oil becomes harder to extract - 2) went from 3 in 1965 to 2.3 Kwh in 2012 per constant \$. - 4) is uncontrolled. It is planned to have 9.8B humans on earth in 2050. So the only variable that can move significantly is 3, which will require to be divided by 6 overall. So we will be 6 times less rich. Why is 2) hard to reduce? - An excavator can remove 112 cubic yard with a gallon of gas that cost \$2.5. It would take 85 work days to dig the same by hand. Energy is super, super, cheap. - The current economic crisis will bring our co2 emissions down 4%. That's only helping us for this year. We would need -4% per year until 2100 to avoid a global climate crisis. - Energy is so cheap, our current daily energy consumption is like having 80 slaves working for us full time everyday. - Democracy, leisures, are all dependent on the time we get from the machines working at our place. <!-- --> - We need better machines, less of them. <!-- --> - GDP and energy consumption are corellated: <https://theshiftproject.org/en/article/beyond-gdp-as-a-key-indicator-the-shifts-analysis-and-recommendations/> <span style="overflow: hidden; display: inline-block; margin: 0.00px 0.00px; border: 0.00px solid #000000; transform: rotate(0.00rad) translateZ(0px); -webkit-transform: rotate(0.00rad) translateZ(0px); width: 500.50px; height: 472.12px;"></span> \[Inline image omitted — original Google Doc has embedded image; see source for original.\] - Globally, the more machines one inhabitant can operate, the more GDP. Look at the log curves above, it works 100%. - We need to redefine all the economic indicators to have any form of success. - We should not pursue Growth at all cost, which is hard to imagine now. Electricity - Solar and Wind electricity production has only marginal effect on Greenhouse Gas emissions: less than 5% worldwide, can only replace part of the electric system: it is an intermittent production source, not pilotable, so without change on the consumer expectations, you will need to keep 1MWh pilotable (nuclear, coal) in the network for every MWH intermittent (wind, solar). - Local / decentralized electricity production? A global electric network is the most energy efficient production system. It was the best system when we were energy-poor, and it is the best system when we will be energy poor. - The most carbon efficient energy is nuclear - but it has bad press in USA, even if it is the best solution we have for the next 30 years. Transport - EV: Batteries emit 100 to 200 kg of Co2 /kilowatt to produce <https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/EV-life-cycle-GHG_ICCT-Briefing_09022018_vF.pdf>. It is pure metallurgy, needs extreme temperature and pressure, it cannot become more efficient without violating thermodynamics. A Tesla is 100 kilowatt, so over 10 tons of co2 just to produce the battery. It's the same as a thermic golf car engine co2 emitted through its lifetime. - So EV can be a partial solution only for a limited amount of time. - Overall, given the timeline, instead of pushing people to keep the same size of car but going EV, we should push people to go for a smaller car and move less. - International cargo shipping + planes cannot go EV (initiative all failed, if one of those EV sink, we kill a whole ocean with lithium). And it's 10% of the 29% of transport. Housing - Marginal, can be solved with wise policy. Like forcing people to isolate their house + go electric on the heater when renovating any subsequential part of the house. It could become free as it is usually cash positive within 8 years only. \#Perspective: One theory states that about 360 million years ago, some plants evolved the ability to produce [lignin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignin), a complex polymer that made their [cellulose](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose) stems much harder and more woody. Thus, the first [trees](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trees) evolved. But bacteria and fungi did not immediately evolve the ability to decompose lignin, so the wood did not fully decay but became buried under sediment, eventually turning into coal. About 300 million years ago, mushrooms and other fungi developed this ability, ending the main coal-formation period of earth's history. <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mushroom-evolution-breaks-down-lignin-slows-coal-formation/> ## April 17 Zoom (Dump notes here): Brainstorming Session - <https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/11/positively-alpine-disbelief-air-pollution-falls-lockdown-coronavirus?utm_source=pocket-newtab> Leave your Names/Emails first - and then we can say more 1. Max Song (<maxsong123@gmail.com>) - Going to put next 10 years of my life to this <!-- --> 1. Has a good solution for an economic based model that encourages pro-social behaviors. 2. S+P 500 adjusted for how companies would be doing if they paid for carbon 3. <https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/tupperware-consumer/> 4. https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-best-books-about-the-history-of-consumerism-in-the-U-S <!-- --> 2. Jacob <!-- --> 1. what if the green circles materialized on your tinder profile? so ppl would know if you’re green 2. Maker’s schedules: Long blocks of time, so critical for makers and creativity, how even one afternoon meeting can throw that off. Realising difference between manager’s schedule and maker’s schedules to balance your energy 3. I wonder if thunder vote / pledge reduces the barrier of participating in collection action projects or movement <!-- --> 3. Anand Lalwani 4. Kunal Shah <!-- --> 1. Real institutions/frameworks with authority at the head - that rewards people who work on climate change problems 2. Stripe - Buying out negative footprint - taking incentive to do good - but done by a company that does not have to worry about money <!-- --> 5. Sam Galler 6. Esc! (Evan) <!-- --> 1. How to combat that with existing rewards system with the way economy works and converges to efficiency 2. Meet up from grass roots <!-- --> 7. Hana Rhee <!-- --> 1. Inspirational human interactions and consciousness <!-- --> 8. Jasmine Wang 9. Kaixi <!-- --> 1. <!-- --> 10. Yatharth Agarwal <!-- --> 1. <!-- --> 11. David Bieber, <david810@gmail.com> 12. Victoria Yang 13. Aakash Dhingra, <aakashddd@gmail.com> <!-- --> 1. Internalizing the costs of production, tax laws 2. <http://www.carbonconversations.co.uk/> 3. Changing the existing engineered desire for consumption. 4. Creating a global conciousness & alternative worldviews of existence. 5. Creating equal opportunities for all through wealth distribution 6. Learning about people and creating experiences that allows people to relate differently. <!-- --> 14. Josh Whiton <!-- --> 1. Most of the humanity is involved into turning the planet into gadgets, garbage, and cash 2. The economy is antithetical to the biosphere 3. What if the economy is 30% less important than it is 4. Once people make soil together (out of their food waste), they automatically start growing food together, and they automatically become more plant-based. 5. <https://www.makesoil.org/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Our beloved chat thread: From David Bieber to Everyone: (09:07 PM) I'll be able to speak in a minute! Here's the project for note taking etc at night <https://davidbieber.com/projects/shh-shell/> From Me to Everyone: (09:13 PM) this is super cool ^ love in it “lovin’ it" loven mitt From J Cole to Everyone: (09:21 PM) <https://www.mcc-berlin.net/en/research/co2-budget.html> From Me to J Cole: (Privately) (09:22 PM) +1 walk in the park From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:23 PM) Doughnut economics From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (09:24 PM) <https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/04/the-new-economic-model-that-could-end-inequality-doughnut/> From Me to Everyone: (09:30 PM) Thanks for always making us feel powerful Jacob From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:31 PM) :^) jacob: Shadow got, effective human coordination, hack on 2d vr chat app like a room govt\* Iss ok From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (09:33 PM) Fomat:name - echo What you can ask me about? Something you can do with me this week. From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:33 PM) Jasmine! Distributed food rescue From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:34 PM) Hang out over zoom this week! PHOEBE! Global labour hierarchies, team culture, virtual town Sunday night! Speed dating on zoom, hit her up :D From J Cole to Everyone: (09:36 PM) kaixi: circular economy product design material culture From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (09:36 PM) KaixiCircular economy in product design, material culture, art music and fashion Hand out with me Coworking From Me to Everyone: (09:37 PM) lol @ starbucks From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:38 PM) YATHARTH: behaviour design consulting with climate activists to actually create sustainable & reliable behaviour design for humans, bootcamp, how to make use of this extra time? Holding space for interpersonal meditation. Dm him From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (09:38 PM) YatharthBehavior design, massive scalable relaible behavior change, available to sound board on utilizing extra time people have. Silent interpersonal meditation this week From J Cole to Everyone: (09:38 PM) yatharth: behavior design around climate activism , silent interpersonal meditation From Me to Everyone: (09:38 PM) oooh triple coverage From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:38 PM) naice Victoria: From Me to Everyone: (09:39 PM) Interested in understanding what motivates someone to learn. From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:39 PM) Global education on remote learning, feminist activism, social dancing over zoom! From J Cole to Everyone: (09:39 PM) ukulele! From Me to Everyone: (09:39 PM) \*spontaneous\* ukelele From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:40 PM) Anand: research in sensors for the environment - CO2, ammonium, helping people who have lost their job From Me to Everyone: (09:40 PM) Send him data sets that need curation From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:41 PM) Kunal: Software engineer, hacking on the 2d app, relationship between scientific method & human values, optimising wellbeing of different people My art is about this! <https://kaixiyang.com/mathematical-beauty> From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:43 PM) Evan: how to peer behind veil & understand the true nature of reality by lucid dreaming, help me reinvent time by product testing of new time system “New time” “New day" From Me to Everyone: (09:43 PM) senks From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:43 PM) yawelcome B’friend on facebook From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:45 PM) Max: Technologist & artist, in between jobs, ask me about art & online communities. Working on syncing problem for musicians (wow) lets jam From Victoria Yang to Everyone: (09:45 PM) Let’s jamm From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:47 PM) Josh: Why after a decade to address climate change, we need NEW SOILLLLLLLLLL (key), join [MakeSoil.org](http://makesoil.org/) spreading all over! WOAHHH thats a map From Me to Everyone: (09:47 PM) Josh - he’s making dirt at the green dots / looking for any devs who can help out between jobs Or in other words, if you need some green work, help Josh out as he makes some clean dirt From Josh Whiton to Everyone: (09:48 PM) [MakeSoil.org](http://makesoil.org/) From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:49 PM) HANA! Experimentation on universal basic income, economic development policy, climate change interconnectedness, we Are nature. Focussed sounding boards, one on one-ness, it’s okay, we are not alone From Me to Everyone: (09:49 PM) 🔥 From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:49 PM) \<3 From Max Song to Everyone: (09:50 PM) ^^ From Me to Max Song: (Privately) (09:51 PM) welcome max nice to see you From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:51 PM) Sam: K-12 curriculum open source high quality, theories that make themselves true. The more they believe, the more they become true - tautological - meditation - economic forecasting, more accurate as people beliEve WILL: Smart sensors, book recommendations, philosophy night, ping him! From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:54 PM) DAVID: ML researcher by day, side project, robot digital assistant, collaborative working sessions From Me to Everyone: (09:54 PM) David, a machine learning, workin the GAN’s // ask him about bieber bot, not a JB fan From Kaixi to Everyone: (09:57 PM) Max Song: Thinking a lot about climate change - do something meaningful opportunity - next 10 years, most important to go above or below boundaries - global stay at home & reflect opportunity! Change people’s behaviour & psychology. Find ideas in the past - catalytic change, into a new state From Me to Everyone: (09:57 PM) Salon so 🔥 “channel this incredible leadership power that max has into… fixing everything.” From J Cole to Everyone: (10:01 PM) [[climatechange]]. [[coronavirus]] From Me to Everyone: (10:01 PM) aakash: “a root problem is the disparity in opportunities between different people” From J Cole to Everyone: (10:01 PM) <http://climatechange.jacobcole.net/> From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (10:02 PM) I loved hearing everyone's passions and drive. THank you \<3 So exicted for continued conversations! From Will Papper to Everyone: (10:02 PM) Unfortunately have a hard stop at 7 PM, wish I could stay longer! It was great to chat :) Really interesting ideas all around! From Yatharth Agarwal to Everyone: (10:02 PM) Bye Will \<3 From Max Song to Everyone: (10:02 PM) yatharth From Max G to Everyone: (10:03 PM) same here, gotta run! nice to meet all of you ❤️ From Me to Everyone: (10:03 PM) \<3 From Max Song to Everyone: (10:03 PM) leave your thoughts/name/email in Jacob notebook before your leave :) From David Bieber to Everyone: (10:03 PM) Great meeting everyone! I think we did From Victoria Yang to Everyone: (10:04 PM) Jacob - where to put down contacts in your notebook? From Me to Everyone: (10:06 PM) Kunal: create a framework that awards actions that alleviate the problems we are trying to solve From jasminewang to Everyone: (10:09 PM) Hi everyone — I need to leave but if it’s still ongoing in 50 min I’ll be back! From Me to Everyone: (10:09 PM) bye bye uuuuugh From Max Song to Everyone: (10:11 PM) we are at the bottom of the page of the Google doc :) From Yatharth Agarwal to Everyone: (10:13 PM) <https://relentlessdawn.wordpress.com/2019/08/29/there-is-no-away/> From J Cole to Everyone: (10:15 PM) how do we encode lessons learned from covid and the past — Eg starting early so we don’t forgot globally ~Victoria From Phoebe Yao to Everyone: (10:18 PM) +1 From Me to Everyone: (10:18 PM) put it in the water lol From Phoebe Yao to Everyone: (10:18 PM) wowww From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:18 PM) picodosing From Me to Everyone: (10:18 PM) hehe From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:18 PM) macrodosing From Phoebe Yao to Everyone: (10:18 PM) this was actually a real project From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:18 PM) Oh real? From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (10:19 PM) Hana, this resonates a lot. From Victoria Yang to Everyone: (10:20 PM) ^^ From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (10:21 PM) \[file: (null)\] Some stats about gender, unpaid labour and inequality. From David Bieber to Everyone: (10:21 PM) Already taken care of From David Bieber to Everyone: (10:21 PM) Sam's on it From Me to Everyone: (10:22 PM) yes Hana super +1 to that we all in this together on this hot little planet From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:23 PM) everyone is doing the right thing given their knowledge and access, but we must all fight to survive. Fighting seems less effective than cooperating though. From Me to Everyone: (10:24 PM) are some just doing the wrong thing though? knowingly? From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:24 PM) all of us. Some of us know it’s wrong. We feel powerless to do the ‘right thing’ given our competing desires and fears From Phoebe Yao to Everyone: (10:24 PM) have you guys heard the plastic straws rant? attention economy stuff From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:25 PM) Lol, yes good point From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (10:25 PM) great question Victoria! This opens up so many thoughts From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:25 PM) HOW DO WE TURN THE MOST WORSTLY GROTESQUE CONSEQUENCES OF HUMAN NATURE INTO THE EFFIN’ BEST From Me to Everyone: (10:25 PM) lol From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:26 PM) Snaps to targeted assistance programs!!! From Yatharth Agarwal to Everyone: (10:27 PM) Core insight of article: When we throw trash away . . . we get the trash out of our consciousness. Somebody else’s problem. But trash doesn’t actually disappear. Stays in the system and world with you. There is no away. It’s this idea of the “away” that leads to the kind of consumption we see. Expanding consciousness, realising the thing stays, in a world —\> sustainable behavior From Me to Everyone: (10:27 PM) damn.. what would marie kondo say. From J Cole to Everyone: (10:28 PM) can someone please paste the whole chat into my google doc From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:28 PM) away is here, y’all WAKE UP From J Cole to Everyone: (10:28 PM) <http://climatechange.jacobcole.net/> I lost it From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:29 PM) @Aakash talk about Doconomy From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (10:29 PM) Really Recommend Doughnut Economics for people to find lines of progress that have opportunities to tackle 21st century's issues. From Me to Everyone: (10:30 PM) @Kamel def love the “synchrony” emphasis game theory, no govt is gonna be the first to leap what is it!! Kickstarter for collective action tasks From David Bieber to Everyone: (10:33 PM) I have to head out. Enjoyed the discussion -- thanks for organizing, Max! See you all back in the fb chat! From Me to Everyone: (10:33 PM) \<3 does compliance matter? From Me to Everyone: (10:34 PM) how can we create some accountability for the thunderpledgees From Victoria Yang to Everyone: (10:35 PM) I wonder if thunder vote / pledge reduces the barrier of participating in collection action projects or movment Such that each individual matters lesss From Josh Whiton to Everyone: (10:35 PM) Once people make soil together (out of their food waste), they automatically start growing food together, and they automatically become more plant-based. From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (10:35 PM) wow that's a great idea Jacob, makes it very visible From Victoria Yang to Everyone: (10:35 PM) Previously, 1000 people on the street means very different things from 1000 votes, or perhaps even 100,000 votes From Kunal Shah to Everyone: (10:37 PM) I’ve got to hop off the call now, but I truly enjoyed this call and am grateful to everyone for such a thoughtful discussion! see you all back in the messenger chat + on the google doc! From Max Song to Everyone: (10:42 PM) This connection between pricing and ESG is due to the depth of the forward-looking analysis, which takes between six weeks and three months to prepare. It includes a two-way diagnostic survey, insight from sector and regional credit analysts, S&P and Trucost’s data including the ESG Risk Atlas, external assessments from institutions like the World Bank, as well as meetings with senior management and discussions with board members. https://www.ifre.com/story/2135410/green-bond-q3rrk6fcbh From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (10:47 PM) +1 to that From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:47 PM) Long Term Climate Action Group! whoo From Me to Everyone: (10:47 PM) so dope From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:49 PM) murderers From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (10:49 PM) Koch Industries, Exxon Mobil From Max Song to Everyone: (10:49 PM) Koch brothers have done so much to influence the american narrative From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (10:50 PM) Max how would you say credit and money need to change to make the economy work for all? From Kaixi to Everyone: (10:51 PM) flight shame, shaming politicians for being ‘rich’ - maybe a analogy towards climate footprint? From Me to Everyone: (10:52 PM) This was an incredible chat. I feel so energized by your words Max. - I gotta go to bed (Eastern Time) I will follow up in the fb thread if anyone wants to reach out. From Max Song to Everyone: (10:52 PM) thanks Evan!! Have a great night and look forward to your amazing ideas more in the chat From Me to Everyone: (10:52 PM) : ) copying thread up to here to doc! Feedback loops not completed, then there is no update From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (11:06 AM) +1 to that Kaixi From Kaixi to Everyone: (11:07 AM) Sorry about the audio!!! \>…\< From Me to Everyone: (11:08 AM) Kaixi - really resonate with your thoughts on encouraging creativity vs consumption From Kaixi to Everyone: (11:08 AM) :^) yes painting~ From Kaixi to Everyone: (11:08 AM) yay!!! From Yatharth Agarwal to Everyone: (11:08 AM) http://www.paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html From Kaixi to Everyone: (11:09 AM) Yessss!111!!! From Yatharth Agarwal to Everyone: (11:09 AM) Maker’s schedules: Long blocks of time, so critical for makers and creativity, how even one afternoon meeting can throw that off. Realising difference between manager’s schedule and maker’s schedules to balance your energy From Kaixi to Everyone: (11:10 AM) Consumption is manufactured From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (11:11 AM) Max could you send a link for this? From Kaixi to Everyone: (11:12 AM) HA @me Years ago guh From Aakash Dhingra to Everyone: (11:13 AM) Also transition towns in Europe - if people are interested. Auroville is a town in south india From Me to Everyone: (11:13 AM) https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/tupperware-consumer/ https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-best-books-about-the-history-of-consumerism-in-the-U-S <table> <colgroup> <col style="width: 33%" /> <col style="width: 33%" /> <col style="width: 33%" /> </colgroup> <tbody> <tr> <td><p><span>Aakash (</span><span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aakashdhingra/">LinkedIn</a></span><span>)</span></p></td> <td><p><span>Current project: Story based - digestible & accessible campaign/knowledge on how different inequities (wealth, income, gender, race, etc) produce and exacerbate social & environmental problems.</span></p> <p><span>Interests:</span></p> <ul> <li><span>Changing the existing engineered desire for consumption.</span></li> <li><span>Creating a global consciousness & alternative worldviews of existence.</span></li> <li><span>Creating equal opportunities for all through wealth distribution</span></li> <li><span>Learning about people and creating experiences that allows people to relate differently.</span></li> </ul></td> <td><p><span>If paid decently, I can devote every day into solutions otherwise 10-20 hrs per week. </span></p></td> </tr> <tr> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> Yen yeh battery brunch \#relatedCommunity --- *Source: <http://climatechange.jacobcole.net/>* *Google Doc: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ULNUP9HaHxe6DABI0AcfM_sVcqWh93gbfKno9_cGKCQ>* *Scraped: 2026-01-30*