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# Speculative Threads

Compressed home for the ideas in the conversation that are explicitly out-of-paradigm or only sketched in passing. Each gets a brief treatment; if a future ingestion adds material, they should be expanded into their own pages.

`confidence: speculative` for everything below.

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## Orca LLMs

> "I've been thinking of giving orcas LLMs, because they're really smart, but they don't have hands. And so what if you get them like, building all kinds of stuff, get them vibe-coding, give them Claude Code? Because I think we've cracked a lot of orca language lately, which is huge — like trans-species communication is now... they have the most advanced language, I think, of any species besides humans. So it's about to get that. That's gonna be huge — the orcas are gonna, like, bro."

The premise:
- Recent computational work on orca vocalizations (real but contested) suggests far more linguistic structure than previously thought
- LLMs can in principle bridge the comprehension gap
- Orcas have the **cognitive complexity** to do interesting things but not the **effectors** to build artifacts

Jacob's wild thought: give them vibe-coding tools and the right effectors (sensors, fish-notification systems, games). See what they do.

> "I don't know what they'd want to vibe-code, but you got to show them. And I think they would have a freaking field day with this if you gave them the right effectors."

Speculative on every front. But also a clean illustration of one of Jacob's deeper moves: **assume more entities are linguistic-and-creative than we currently know, and design infrastructure that lets them participate.**

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## Alien contact thought experiment

The Fermi paradox, in Jacob's hands:

> "Are we going to make it to maturity? So the aliens are willing to go talk to us if they're watching — not while we're an angsty teenager as a planet. If I were intelligent aliens, I wouldn't talk to us, not till we get our shit figured out. That's my best hypothesis about, like, if there are aliens, why we haven't seen them."

David's twist:

> "When aliens visit, they'll never visit for the raw resources. They would visit to understand paradigms and deep concepts, stories and culture and taste. Three tons of gold can never equate to that."

Jacob: "I mean, if you've got interstellar spacecraft, you definitely don't need our resources."

The implication: **the things the universe scarce-allocates** are not material — they're **cultural / paradigmatic**. If aliens visit, they'd come for our humanities. We're producing them poorly (David's frame: "the deepest truths are getting eaten by extremely powerful documentary tools" — i.e., the engagement-optimizing media stack).

So the alien-readiness problem is the same as the [[Vision for the World|vision-for-the-world]] problem: develop a culture worth visiting.

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## Dream-cap thought recording

Already covered in [[Voice-First Thought Capture]]. The speculation: a non-invasive head-cap reads pre-articulated thought directly. Jacob: "I'd definitely try one. Yeah."

The interest: **pre-articulation may carry information that articulation removes**. If true, this is a fundamentally new category of data, with implications for [[Sparks of Motivation|sparks]] capture, creativity, and self-knowledge.

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## Rainbow body (literal)

The Tibetan legend of cultivators dissolving into rainbow light, leaving only hair and nails. Jacob:

> "On one level, you can say, oh, this is a metaphor for ego vanishing, and you're just merged so completely with the stream — that's the experience you have. And then if everything is really spirit-matter, there's not really that distance between the gross material world and the experiential world."

`confidence: speculative` on the literal reading. `confidence: high` on Jacob's claim that the metaphorical reading is real and important.

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## Paranormal phenomena

> "I've done some time researching paranormal phenomena, psychic phenomena, and so on. The evidence is pretty compelling, passes all the statistical tests — that there are slight but extremely hard to explain psychic phenomena: things like telepathy, telekinesis, distance healing, that don't make any sense in a paradigm that we have right now."

> "I would put more than 50% chance that some of this is true."

Jacob's move: don't laugh it off; don't assume it's fully real either. Stay curious about the residual signal in the noise.

This is consistent with [[Spirit as Substrate]] — if matter and qualia aren't separable, then "psychic" effects shouldn't be a priori impossible, just rare and small.

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## Post-instrumentalism

Already covered in [[Nick Bostrom]]. Jacob's two answers to the [[Bostrom]] question (what to do when AI handles instrumental tasks):

1. [[Super Conscious State|Cultivation practice]]
2. The liberal arts

Both are constitutively about the experiencer, not about producing measurable instrumental outputs. Both are open-ended in a way no AI can substitute for.

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## Common thread

What all the speculative threads share: **a willingness to take seriously claims that don't fit current scientific paradigms, while not over-committing to any specific reading.** Jacob's epistemic stance is "if the substrate-ontology is closer to right than we think, several currently-bracketed phenomena become coherent — let's not foreclose."

This is consistent with the [[Stages of Adult Development|stages framework]]: confident dismissal of the speculative is a particular stage's habit, not the final word.

## Related

- [[Super Conscious State]] — the umbrella for several of these
- [[Spirit as Substrate]] — the ontology that supports literal readings
- [[Existential Risk and Spa Diplomacy]] — the urgency-context the optimism navigates